Re: Selby and Ronnie have won 8/11 World Championships
Wildey wrote:LC wrote:I don’t think I could ever see selby ahead of Higgins but if you look at the stats he almost is, also the grinder accusations are a little harsh he’s made over 600 tons, for the record I’m far from a selby fan!
Hes made over 700 he will more than likely go past Hendry this season.
He has over 130 more than the next best which is Ding Junhui
Ding's the better breakbuilder but he's been unproductive recent years besides winning 2019's UK championship. He's also 4yrs younger, if he finds his form (Not good he's out of the top 16 presently) he'd definitely make more than 33 centuries a season.
Selby's quite a bit behind Robbo but more importantly Trump who is 6yrs his junior. But yes credit where it's due he is among the elite scorers though I'd say lower elite, though it doesn't matter how many centuries you make, just enough to win the frame is what counts, a 67-74 break usually does it. A better reflection of how good a scorer is is their 1table visit wins, e.g. Davis tended not to clear the table he would go onto the next frame to blitz the opponent asap, Willo used to do his own naughty snooker so both players are missing a lot of centuries they should have made early career.
https://cuetracker.net/head-to-head/din ... mark-selby
Considering how many more frames he's played Selby's century count's not great, Ding's definitely better but oddly Selby's got a better rate than Hendry & Higgins! Judd's actually played more frames than 40yr old Robbo!
https://cuetracker.net/statistics/centu ... e/all-time
Of the elite players (age start of next season), frames played, century % and frames played per century made
Neil Robertson (40) 8655 /9.74% /10.27
Judd Trump (33) 8817 /9.7% /10.31
Ronnie O'Sullivan (46) 12393 /9.38% /10.66
Ding Junhui (35) 6949 /8.45% /11.84
Mark Allen (36) 6694 /7.74% /12.92
Marco Fu (44) 6877 /7.2% /13.89
Mark Selby (39) 10124 /7.17% /13.94
Could argue breaks don't tell much of the story as it's easier to score in tournaments & matches with less pressure, against lesser opponents too, player style matters e.g. Selby makes the balls awkward, much more so than Ronnie or Trump and other attacking players who keep the game open so big breaks are more common & horrendously long frames less. The stage of the tournament matters a lot too, theoretically finals should have the most centuries but often they don't in relative terms as players are more cautious having made it that far.
Here's a good metric, total career points, another one that favours Ronnie as GOAT. He's 2nd in career points despite playing quite a few less matches than Higgins (Who has played and won more matches than anyone)
& in + - points Ronnie is by far the best. (His match win rate speaks for itself too vs the rest
https://cuetracker.net/statistics/point ... t/all-time
https://cuetracker.net/statistics/point ... e/all-time
https://cuetracker.net/statistics/point ... s/all-time
Big break history, yes pains me to admit it Selby is high on the list.
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