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Impossible snooker

Postby Badsnookerplayer

Apologies if this has been answered before.

What happens in a situation where a player is faced with a snooker that is impossible to escape? For example, the white comes to rest in the jaws of the green pocket and the black ( for example) comes and rests next to it making it impossible to get past it?

Often wondered what would the ref do.

Re: Impossible snooker

Postby Coland

Badsnookerplayer wrote:Apologies if this has been answered before.

What happens in a situation where a player is faced with a snooker that is impossible to escape? For example, the white comes to rest in the jaws of the green pocket and the black ( for example) comes and rests next to it making it impossible to get past it?

Often wondered what would the ref do.

No such thing as an impossible escape with Selbo about.

Re: Impossible snooker

Postby Holden Chinaski

Coland wrote:
Badsnookerplayer wrote:Apologies if this has been answered before.

What happens in a situation where a player is faced with a snooker that is impossible to escape? For example, the white comes to rest in the jaws of the green pocket and the black ( for example) comes and rests next to it making it impossible to get past it?

Often wondered what would the ref do.

No such thing as an impossible escape with Selbo about.

pmsl

Re: Impossible snooker

Postby acesinc

Badsnookerplayer wrote:Apologies if this has been answered before.

What happens in a situation where a player is faced with a snooker that is impossible to escape? For example, the white comes to rest in the jaws of the green pocket and the black ( for example) comes and rests next to it making it impossible to get past it?

Often wondered what would the ref do.


This situation is covered directly within the Rules of Snooker (even using the exact term, "impossible"). It is Section 3., Rule 14., (a) (iii) if you care to look it up but in essence it says that if the situation is such that an escape is literally impossible, then Foul and a Miss shall NOT be called provided that the White is played with sufficient strength toward the ball on to reach it if not for the obstruction.

So in your conjectured scenario, if the snookered player just plays White lightly to touch Black and then lay up against the Baulk cushion in the open but nowhere near the ball on (whatever it is), then the Referee can and should call FAAM. However, if the snookered player basically "blasts through" the Black ball in the general direction of the ball on, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead, come what may....well, then, of course it is still a foul, but should not be called as FAAM. Some people may think that it should still be called FAAM if the incoming striker does not get resultant good fortune to play at the ball on but that is not what the Rule says. Following the Rule, blasting through like that is no FAAM even if there is no good play at the ball on.

Re: Impossible snooker

Postby acesinc

Badsnookerplayer wrote:Thanks Acesinc. I looked at the rules on the World Snooker site but did not find that rule.


Hey Bad, it's what I do! Somewhat of the resident "rules guy". But I do like to think I am humble and always open to correction. After all, I certainly make mistakes....just ask my wife.

I am one of those few fools who has literally read through the Rule Book cover to cover. Not once; probably closer to a dozen times now. And I think it is quite well organized so for any question that comes up, I know pretty well right where to go to find the answer quickly because it is not very often that something "new" happens in the game anymore. I did take a Referee's training course quite a few years ago, but never followed up with it so I am not certified, just knowledgeable I like to think.

I used to quote the relevant rule in my post but I think that probably gets passed over for the most part so now I try to reference the Rule number so you can look it up yourself, and I just give a general explanation.

Re: Impossible snooker

Postby mslscorpion

Situation: only pink and black on table and my opponent leads by 15 points, so I needed a snooker. My opponent plays a slow shot and hangs the pink in the mouth of the pocket. I don't have any chance of pulling the pink out or to lay a snooker.

Question: Is it a legal shot for me to pot pink and in off the cue ball INTENTIONALLY in the same pocket?

Tactically, this will bring me back into the game, but requiring two snookers. Not sure if this is allowed as it looks like against the spirit of the game for me. But one of the senior player in my club said it is absolutely OK to do it. So, I am confused!

Re: Impossible snooker

Postby Andre147

mslscorpion wrote:Situation: only pink and black on table and my opponent leads by 15 points, so I needed a snooker. My opponent plays a slow shot and hangs the pink in the mouth of the pocket. I don't have any chance of pulling the pink out or to lay a snooker.

Question: Is it a legal shot for me to pot pink and in off the cue ball INTENTIONALLY in the same pocket?

Tactically, this will bring me back into the game, but requiring two snookers. Not sure if this is allowed as it looks like against the spirit of the game for me. But one of the senior player in my club said it is absolutely OK to do it. So, I am confused!


This is ok to do indeed.

Yes you dont lose the frame but now require 2 snookers to win or tie. 1 snooker with only pink and black left is hard enough, nevermind two. You'd be better off just conceding.


   

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