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Re: Dafabet World Championship (Wed April 30th) Quarter Fina

Postby edwards2000

Skullman wrote:
edwards2000 wrote:No, it isn't. Making a maximum at the crucible has been done so very few times. Making 3 has been done only twice. Making 100 centuries when entering every single tournament would have been done by Ronnie and by hendry had they entered that many frames.

It's not as big an achievement as it is being made out to be. It's good, but not that good. And to celebrate like that is just ridiculous. If he loses the match, he will look ridiculous.


Would have, could have, should have :roll:

A max is 'only' 36 shots. 100 tons is at least 2600 shots.


No, not "could have". It is only recently that it's been possible. In Hendry's day, and when Ronnie entered more tournaments, there were like 6-9 ranking events a year and that was your lot. Not league and 50 PTC events and other nonsense.

The true gauge is the crucible. Ronnie and hendry making 100 at the crucible is a much better achievement, but no hoo-ha gets made of it. I am not saying Robbo's achievement isn't good, it is, but in context of break building milestones, it's not near what Hendry and Ronnie have done. The context is, Robbo has entered FAR more frames.
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Re: Dafabet World Championship (Wed April 30th) Quarter Fina

Postby Sickpotter

Corneeto wrote:105 maximum breaks.

10 Crucible centuries.

1 hundred 100s. And the closest is 61.

If it wasn't as hard, then why hasn't it been done before, or at least why hasn't someone else got close?


Lack of events

Re: Dafabet World Championship (Wed April 30th) Quarter Fina

Postby Cannonball

TheRocket wrote:
Holden Chinaski wrote:These two really hate each other. I love it!



What I miss is a fist fight between these two. They should do it like Mark King and Quinten Hann.
Same with Ros and Selby.


Their fight would be a bit like this:

:bags:

Re: Dafabet World Championship (Wed April 30th) Quarter Fina

Postby AC or LT?

So glad Robbo finally made 100.

I don't care what anyone says it's a pretty amazing achievement and one that he's had to go for. It's more remarkable than a maximum in that it's required a season of dedication rather than a frame and he's the first to do it, the magnitude of this is similar to Thorburn and Davis's maximums, it will be relatively common in about five or six years time but the first is always the best.. It's something he's made a target for himself, he can now focus on winning the WC.

Re: Dafabet World Championship (Wed April 30th) Quarter Fina

Postby Wildey

words of warning for all concerned i wont tolerate a stupid argument about centuries v max if it gets too much in a abusive nature by all means debate it but when it gets heated ill act.

Re: Dafabet World Championship (Wed April 30th) Quarter Fina

Postby edwards2000

Corneeto wrote:105 maximum breaks.

10 Crucible centuries.

1 hundred 100s. And the closest is 61.

If it wasn't as hard, then why hasn't it been done before, or at least why hasn't someone else got close?


A. Ronnie doesn't enter tournaments
B. Hendry was in massive decline and has retired
C. Ding does not enter all tournaments
D. None of the above went for the record, regardless
and more importantly
E. It is only recently that it has been possible. There are far far more events these days than there was. It was practically impossible before 2011 to do it.

Let's see Neil make 4 centuries and a 147) in a best of 9 (O'Sullivan), or 16 centuries at the crucible (Hendry), or 8 centuries in one match (Hendry. Was it 8?) Or most centuries overall at crucible (O'Sullivan), or best average overall (O'Sullivan / Ding).

Those are harder to get, and they are much fairer than entering every scrap heap tourney going. Context is needed.

100 will be beaten so long as people go for it. Only Neil has even bothered.

Re: Dafabet World Championship (Wed April 30th) Quarter Fina

Postby Corneeto

Sickpotter wrote:
Corneeto wrote:105 maximum breaks.

10 Crucible centuries.

1 hundred 100s. And the closest is 62.

If it wasn't as hard, then why hasn't it been done before, or at least why hasn't someone else got close?


Lack of events


True, but still no one has got close. Hendry might have done it a couple of times, but his break building was in a class alone. Couldn't see anyone else getting it. Had the events been there is all very well but that's like saying Bradman would have had scored more hundreds had they played more test matches back then, for example.

Re: Dafabet World Championship (Wed April 30th) Quarter Fina

Postby Skullman

edwards2000 wrote:Let's see Neil make 4 centuries and a 147) in a best of 9 (O'Sullivan), or 16 centuries at the crucible (Hendry), or 8 centuries in one match (Hendry. Was it 8?) Or most centuries overall at crucible (O'Sullivan), or best average overall (O'Sullivan / Ding).

Those are harder to get, and they are much fairer than entering every scrap heap tourney going. Context is needed.

100 will be beaten so long as people go for it. Only Neil has even bothered.


Hendry made 7 in match (1994 UK final)

BTW Robertson didn't start the season going for it, but he a purple patch of scoring around October where he made about 15 centuries in a week which made it possible. He was just going about his normal business until about January or so when it started looking possible and he was already up to 60 then.

Re: Dafabet World Championship (Wed April 30th) Quarter Fina

Postby Skullman

SnookerFan wrote:
Cannonball wrote:Why do they dislike each other so much?


There was some needle from their match at The Masters last year. Robbo took a dislike to the actions of some of Trump's mates.


Been two years now (where does time go?).

Think it started from the 2011 UKs tbh, when Judd accused Robbo of trying to slow him down.

Re: Dafabet World Championship (Wed April 30th) Quarter Fina

Postby Cannonball

SnookerFan wrote:
Cannonball wrote:Why do they dislike each other so much?


There was some needle from their match at The Masters last year. Robbo took a dislike to the actions of some of Trump's mates.


Oh, his drinking crew from style bars/clubs? Yeah, we've seen them in pictures! rofl

If Trump didn't club and mess around, drool over cars, maybe he would fulfill his potential. booyakasha!

Re: Dafabet World Championship (Wed April 30th) Quarter Fina

Postby Lucky

Surely a simple equation of frames/centuries would give a ratio to work with? Then use it to see how exceptional it is. I'm guessing even with the increased amount of tourneys it'll still be pretty impressive.

Re: Dafabet World Championship (Wed April 30th) Quarter Fina

Postby Vallomas

Holden Chinaski wrote:If Trump loses this match he will be furious.

He should have shook hands with Robbo when Robbo broke the record in my opinion.


True. Reardon was very cheerful with Mountjoy when the latter made the 145 break, for example. And they were playing in a WC semifinal.

Re: Dafabet World Championship (Wed April 30th) Quarter Fina

Postby Andre147

This is like the frame outburst Robbo had v Allen :hatoff:

Impressive stuff, I would hope Judd to beat him, but he's rattled now.

He should have shook hands with Robbo I agree.

Selby v Robbo it is then, cant wait.