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Re: Q School 2015

Postby Wildey

Great start from Gareth Allen 1-0 up

Re: Q School 2015

Postby Wildey

Jason Weston 0-1 Kuldesh Johal
Alex Taubman 0-1 Gareth Allen
Duane Jones 0-0 Zhao Xintong
Luke Simmonds 0-1 Paul S Davison

Re: Q School 2015

Postby Wildey

Jason Weston 1-1 Kuldesh Johal
Alex Taubman 1-2 Gareth Allen
Duane Jones 1-2 Zhao Xintong
Luke Simmonds 0-2 Paul S Davison

Re: Q School 2015

Postby Wildey

Gareth Allen and Zhao Xintong are a frame away of fulfilling their initial ambition to play professional Snooker

Re: Q School 2015

Postby Wildey

Jason Weston 3-1 Kuldesh Johal
Alex Taubman 1-3 Gareth Allen
Duane Jones 1-3 Zhao Xintong
Luke Simmonds 0-3 Paul S Davison

Re: Q School 2015

Postby Wildey

Alex Taubman 2-3 Gareth Allen

What drama in frame 5 Taubman won it 90-76 with Gareth giving away 7 fouls totaling 39 points

Re: Q School 2015

Postby Clara8633

Duane Jones forces the decider!

Re: Q School 2015

Postby kolompar

Luke Simmonds was both the IBSF world amateur and U21 champion in 1998.
Jason Weston was the guy Corey Deuel was leading 2-1 <laugh>

Re: Q School 2015

Postby Wildey

Overjoyed for Gareth Allen a member of Snooker island and has contributed a lot to the Amataur section of the forum (not as much as Roy but who has lol)

Re: Q School 2015

Postby Clara8633

Duane Jones v Zhao Xintong has gone down to the last black.

And Jones pots it!

Re: Q School 2015

Postby Wildey

Duane Jones has won well deserved a consistent Q School performer and has played a lot with Gareth Allen for the Welsh team in the EBSA.

They will need new blood now

Re: Q School 2015

Postby Wildey

Jason Weston 4-2 Kuldesh Johal
Alex Taubman 2-4 Gareth Allen
Duane Jones 4-3 Zhao Xintong
Luke Simmonds 1-3 Paul S Davison

Re: Q School 2015

Postby kolompar

Duane's win also ensures that this year's Q school graduates are all British.

Re: Q School 2015

Postby Wildey

kolompar wrote:Duane's win also ensures that this year's Q school graduates are all British.

But they are all better players and more deserving than these international nominated rubbish.


We need best players on tour and if that is British Players then tough.

Re: Q School 2015

Postby Wildey

Luke Simmonds 3-3 Paul S Davison

Re: Q School 2015

Postby kolompar

Wildey wrote:
kolompar wrote:Duane's win also ensures that this year's Q school graduates are all British.

But they are all better players and more deserving than these international nominated rubbish.


We need best players on tour and if that is British Players then tough.

You are right, and the European players get another chance in a week with Duane and Gareth probably not playing in the EBSA.

Re: Q School 2015

Postby Wildey

When we get these Q School events up and running in other countries i hope Brits travel and compete in them.

Too many players has earned tour spots over the years based on nationality and not ability.

Re: Q School 2015

Postby roy142857

Wildey wrote:When we get these Q School events up and running in other countries i hope Brits travel and compete in them.

Too many players has earned tour spots over the years based on nationality and not ability.


I'm certainly a little uncomfortable with all the players qualifying being British, there is some advantage for them playing in their home country.

Regarding, 'nationality not ability', I think there's an element of awarding spots on the Tour based on potential - so a player from (say) Egypt hasn't had the chance to play much quality opposition, and the hope is that in allowing a number of players on with undeveloped talent, every so often they'll be someone who will develop to the top level of the game, whereas just leaving them playing locally they won't develop and snooker will miss out on a potential star.

Re: Q School 2015

Postby Wildey

i am 100% against using the World Tour as a experiment to see if players are good enough or not its up to those countries to give those players best coaching and best facilities and help them to develop their game to compete at top level then pay for them to enter Q School and if they compete to a adequate level of performance then give them a nomination if they did not get through Q School.

Re: Q School 2015

Postby Wildey

Monday 25th of May

10am

Jason Weston 4-2 Kuldesh Johal
Alex Taubman 2-4 Gareth Allen
Duane Jones 4-3 Zhao Xintong
Luke Simmonds 3-4 Paul S Davison

Re: Q School 2015

Postby Wildey

Q School Graduates 2015

Sydney Wilson ( Debut on tour) age 25
Daniel Wells (Turned Pro 2008 6th and 7th season on tour) age 26
Rhys Clark ( Debut on tour) age 21
Eden Sharav (Debut on tour) age 23
Gareth Allen (Debut on tour) age 26
Duane Jones (Debut on tour) age 22
Jason Weston (Turned Pro 1991 11th and 12th season on tour) age 44
Paul Davison (Turned Pro 1992 17th and 18th season on tour) age 43

Re: Q School 2015

Postby roy142857

Problem is many countries don't have the finances or facilities, whilst I sort-of agree with you about not liking the Tour being used as an experiment, it's better than missing out on a potentially great player.

Best solution would be for World Snooker, IBSF, EBSA and ACBS to work together on a development program for such players, providing facilities, coaching and competition - perhaps with local competitions to qualify for the development program. Obvious problem is how to pay for it!

Re: Q School 2015

Postby roy142857

Shame Simmonds didn't get through, really a player that didn't fulfill potential. Anyone know why things didn't develop after he beat Ryan Day at the 1998 Amateur World Championship?

Hope he gets some invites for events this year and takes them up.

Re: Q School 2015

Postby Wildey

Q School Order of Merit

Players in Blue will have first refusal to play in the Aussie Open as top up players

Zhao Xintong 42
Luke Simmonds 42

Adam Duffy 38

Alexander Ursenbacher 36

Andy Hicks 35

Kuldesh Johal 32

Leo Fernandez 31

Hammad Miah 29

Greg Casey 28
Ashley Hugill 28
Alex Taubman 28

Jordan Brown 27
Joe O'Connor 27

Sam Craigie 25
Jake Nicholson 25

Jamie Barrett 24
Alex Davies 24
Mitchell Travis 24
Wang ZePeng 24

Dylan Craig 23
Brett Miller 23
Jamie O'Neill 23

Shachar Ruberg 22
Matthew Day 22

Oliver Brown 21
Billy Joe Castle 21
Chen Zhe 21
Darren Cook 21
Callum Downing 21
Scott Macfarlane 21

Ashley Carty 20
Joe Roberts 20

Marcus Campbell 19
Adam Edge 19

Reanne Evans 19
Lin Shuai 19
Saqib Nasir 19
Brandon Sargeant 19

Ross Higgins 18
Brian Cini 18
Elliot Slessor 18
Tugba Irten 18
Christopher Keogan 18

David John 17
Robin Otto 17
Sascha Lippe 17
Rhydian Ap Owen 17
Eddie Manning 17
Charlie Walters 17

Bash Maqsood 16
Wayne Townsend 16
Jason Tart 16
Lukas Kleckers 16
Jordan Church 16
Sam Harvey 16
Simon Dent 16
Jeff Cundy 16
Clayton Humphries 16

Ben Harrison 15
Nick Jennings 15
Michael Williams 15
Darryn Walker 15
Grant Miles 15
Josh Harrison 15
Jamie Rhys Clarke 15
Keith Keldie 15
Samuel Thistlewhite 15

Li Yan 14
Andrew Milliard 14
Andreas Ploner 14
Michael Collumb 14
Thomas J Dowling 14

John Beesley 13
Adrian Rosa 13
Kurtis Weaver 13
William Lemons 13
Dessie Sheehan 13
Joshua Baddeley 13
Thomas Rees 13
Phil O'Kane 13
Ben Jones 13

Rune Kampe 12
Luke Garland 12
Mohammed Rangzib 12
James McGouran 12
Joshua Thomond 12
Gene Lam 12
Gareth Green 12
Stephen Ormerod 12
Tahel Miah 12
Chris Norbury 12
Ryan Causton 12
Adam King 12

Jeff Jacobs 11
Boon Chin Ang 11
Ben Tanner 11
Lewis Frampton 11
Erik Wilson 11
Lee Shanker 11

Sean Bullock 10
David Singh 10
Lee Page 10
Darryl James 10
Zack Richardson 10
Craig Barber 10
Nico Elton 10
Khaled Al Saaleem 10
George Pragnall 10
Louis Heathcote 10
Jack Bradford 10

Corey Deuel 9
Andy Marriott 9
Chris Jones 9
Adam Chalkley 9
Conor McCormack 9
Josh Boileau 9
Thomas Barton 9
Robert Cloherty 9
Adam Bobat 9
Kacper Filipiak 9
Arpat Pulat 9

Peter Devlin 8
Matthew Glasby 8
Mark Owens 8
Yasir Nadeem 8

Julian Mills 7
Mike Finn 7
Joe Steele 7

Zafran Ali 6
Mark Vincent 6
David Maslov 6
Kishan Hirani 6
Imran Puri 6

Danny Brindle 5
Peter Delaney 5
Marc J Davis 5
Ahmed Saif 5
Joshua Cooper 5
Andrew Alexandrou 5
Thomas Hilborne 5
Freddie Blunden 5
Owais Ali 5
Darren Barton 5

Heather Clare 4
Hans Blanckaert 4
Chris Kilcoyne 4
Adam Stefanow 4

John Eames 3
Danny Hocking 3

Scott Lyons 1

James Burrett 0
Reece King 0
Roshan Birdi 0
Brad Chappell 0

Re: Q School 2015

Postby Wildey

roy142857 wrote:Problem is many countries don't have the finances or facilities, whilst I sort-of agree with you about not liking the Tour being used as an experiment, it's better than missing out on a potentially great player.

Best solution would be for World Snooker, IBSF, EBSA and ACBS to work together on a development program for such players, providing facilities, coaching and competition - perhaps with local competitions to qualify for the development program. Obvious problem is how to pay for it!

OK how about this then

A Country gives World Snooker a Nominated player then World Snooker pays for his inclusion in Q School if that country hasent got the funds (means tested) but he will only gain a place on tour if he actually performs to a high enough standard.

i cant back this bullocks of having Mohamed Khairy or Floyd Ziegler bucking everyone about.

Re: Q School 2015

Postby roy142857

It'd certainly be a step in the right direction, although there's also the issue of expenses.

More than anything snooker could do with a headline sponsor to pay for such things (an airline would be fantastic, imagine the advantage if players didn't have the expense of travel - ok, probably just dreaming!)

Re: Q School 2015

Postby Wildey

With Hossein Vafaei Ayouri its different he has won a World Title and had vissa issues and he is now ready but what about Steve Mifsud he got a nomination and hardly played or Ju Reti he hasent played out side Asia total waste of time although Ju Reti did earn it via APTC which brings us to Alan McManus point that APTC shouldn't be a route on to tour and Ju Reti is proving that point for Alan.

Re: Q School 2015

Postby fridge46

When it comes to giving tour places to amateurs, World Snooker have a very difficult job in allocating those place. Yes, they should be offered to the best, but World Snooker also need to expand the game. While many disagree that the current allocation is flawed, I think it is just about right - just!

Remember, all players gaining tour places have done so by winning matches/tournaments; they havent been gifted to them on a plate or handed over a big brown envelope. Steve Mifsud, Mohammed Khairy, Floyd Ziegler, etc won tournaments - so in theory should be the best in their region. This how Neil Robertson got on tour - he had a terrible first season, dropped off, requalified and hasnt looked back since. While some who qualify from Asia dont turn up, some do - namely Li Hang who is now a top 64 player. Its not Ju Reti fault if he cant afford to move to England, and its unfair to punish Asia by removing spots where there could be plenty of others who just missed out who are willing to move. [I have an idea for those who cant afford to travel, but this isnt the place]

It cant be easy for these players to leave their life behind, relocate to a new country and expect to compete straight out of the box. I would struggle if I had to move to Africa or Asia, especially if there is no guarantee of an income - thats a lot of pressure.

I think the only fair way to have the best is to remove all qualification spots given out via regional championships and PTCs (on last years Euro OOM, 5 wins in 6 tournaments would have gained a tour card, whilst 6 wins in 3 tournaments in Asia would have gifted one! Reaching the Last 64 five times, in tournaments where many withdrew and the potential for pros to draw amateurs doesnt necessarily mean the best get the spots!) and have a bigger "QSchool".

For next season, 34 spots were available via qschool, regional qualifiers, AT/ET OOM's, etc.

I would have a tournament/s where pros that dropped off tour are joined by regional champions and qualifiers (there can be local tournaments all around the world, but amateurs must earn their spot, not just pay £600 - I dont want an important tournament like this where any Tom, sausage or Harry can turn up!) to get to 128 players or so. And from that, qualify 34 by whatever method (knockout, groups, combined rankings, double/triple elimination, etc).

In the short term, if a player hasnt entered a certain number of ranking events (excluding PTCs, and obviously players with ill health), they should lose their tour card. Additionally, Top-up players should receive a ranking (not necessarily a 2 year card) and the best so many receive tour cards for the next season. Xiao Zintong 100% deserves to be on tour (as do all those who came through qschool), but sadly has to wait another year whilst Mifsud, Reti and Leong do bugger all!

Re: Q School 2015

Postby Wildey

How is it right giving tour places to players that dont play and others that turn up to a remote part of England from Brazil or Australia gets hammered 5-0 without any hope of winning then return home without making no money.

Thats not remotely right.

im really not in to giving tour spots based on Nationality events in Brazil or Europe.

I Would rather Give tour spots to World Amateur Semi Finalists and World Under 21 semi finalist and then the rest on Q School no other tour qualification is open to anybody.

Re: Q School 2015

Postby roy142857

Jū Rètí highlights part of the problem - I understand he couldn't get funding. (Generally the Chinese authorities seem to only fund the younger players as they seem to think only younger players will develop, a mistake in my opinion given the number of players we've seen improve in their thirties in the past few years)