Dan-cat wrote:You are from Hackney as in born and bred?! That would make you a rare beast.
Nah mate sorry lol, born Redbridge but been a Hackney kid since I was 6, end of 1989, Trump was a baby then. By some coincidence my sister's colleague in a former job happens to be the niece of the guy Ronnie O'Sullivan senior murdered, was quite something to see Ronnie Sr in the victory photo, the man Ronnie fans all know about to some extent, whose incarceration set back his son's career quite some years, denying us probably of a teenage world champion that would have tied/smashed 7 WT's far sooner.
McManusFan wrote:
Not trying to take anything (well not much) away from Ronnie’s victories - he isn't responsible for his opponenets poor play. If Judd had played like he did in the 2019 final, he would have won.
Was waiting for someone to say that, my response is yes Judd made 7 centuries that final, beating Ronnie's 6 in 2013 though centuries are deceptive, 67-70+ breaks are usually enough to win in 1 visit, he'd have a good chance of winning against anyone at that standard but he wasn't a world champion yet, it was his time he had the hunger and the 2011 defeat to the same man to rectify so was probably a freak performance he may never repeat, he's certainly not been a big hitter at TCs since for whatever reason though he certainly can come back, he has the talent and works hard. Hendry wasn't as invincible as his fans imply in his prime, Jimmy should have won 2/4 of their finals but he did win them as much as I wish he didn't, at least have had Jimmy win one of them...
SnookerFan wrote:HappyCamper wrote:it's been plainly obvious that o'sullivan is the greatest player for years.
I agree.
But a lot of his fans have this inferiority complex of thinking it's not true unless he has literally every record.
You've got it so twisted! From my experience Ronnie fans proclaimed he's the GOAT with 5 WTs, me included, anything more was a bonus, it's the Hendry fans & naysayers who kept bringing up the 7 WT. I still wanted him to win more if anything to silence the doubters but I certainly was firm in my belief he was already GOAT at 5, if anything I liked him having 5 as that's a unique tally! His 2013 one should count as at least 2 under the circumstances! I never doubted he'd reach 6 as I said in 2018 and after he did get it in 2020, felt shame on those who did, way I saw it was start panicking if by 2024 he hadn't won 1 as that would be 10yrs since his last final and he almost always wins on leap years, 2016 being the trend bucker.
Yes it was a lean period since losing to Selby Crucible wise...
People still wanting to say Hendry is the GOAT still have a small case as his came in a 10 year span vs Ronnie's 22 but for Hendry that was followed by mediocrity for longer (Yes he made SFs and 1 more Final but the heavy defeats he took...), had Hendry or Davis returned soon after their dominance was over that would have preserved their GOAT statuses over Ronnie's insane longevity argument, like Joe Davis winning 15/15 world titles and then retiring so he remained unbeaten... Cheap exit yes.
For me I want Ronnie to make at least 1 more final so at least Hendry fans can't say he made more finals than Ronnie, winning an 8th or more is a bonus but it's all good from here...
LDS wrote:Ronnie doesn't really need an 8th. The last gasp of Hendry fans is that Hendry made it to 9 finals compared to O'Sullivan's 8, and even then they'd have to ignore all the other results like semis, quarters, etc. So even if O'Sullivan never again won the title, even just a runner-up spot would have him far and away elevated above Hendry.
Obviously it would be nice if he had an 8th (well who wouldn't want an 8th
), but I think it would actually be detrimental to him if his fans went about demanding it or promoting the idea too heavily. It would be nicer for the fans if they could just watch him play completely free of cares for once IMO.
Yes why it took him 20+yrs to achieve it and his 1st title taking the longest of all, title 6 also taking almost as long is undoubtedly the pressure of expectation, for someone with mental health problems, which Ronnie has been very candid about it's the worst obstacle & we've seen how he's collapsed, taken opponents too lightly or had too little interest in competing, when he's been the betting favourite he tends to fall very short in the crucible, 3 sore examples, 2016 Barry Hawkins, who he hadn't lost to in a long time, 12yrs was it? 2018 even worse Ali Carter who he had never lost to. 2019 James Cahill, an amateur with Ronnie being no.1 for the first time since 2010.... Expectation often works against him and his best results happen often when he is more carefree and not the favourite, he's such a mysterious character in being so erratic, he was never the winning machine like Davis and Hendry but he could switch on deity mode without any warning which makes him such a nightmare opponent, when he's in a good mood he's more likely to get results... Yes a nightmare for bookies to predict lol.
But as fans we naturally want him to win everything & it stinks when he doesn't win, it bothers us more than him it seems lol. But he's been a pro 30yrs and has been playing about 40yrs now with the highest expectations from childhood so he's long earned the right to play as he wishes, granted it doesn't feel good when he loses and it seems he didn't put the effort but that's his style he likes things to come naturally to him, not grind things out like Selby or Higgins though he's proven to be scarily capable at it such as in this tournament.
Hope he doesn't repeat 2020-21 where he was too relaxed lol, not practising and using the match tables as practise so he'd pot every last ball in losing frames haha!!!
LC wrote:Think it’s more shaking ppls dirty hands, I know from just experience of my local snooker club that very few ppl wash there hands after going to the toilet! So I’m fist bumping in matches lol tho as partridge once said who’s to say you can’t get rubbish on your fist!
That is a pethate of mine, people who don't wash their hands after the toilet should have it chopped off!
And Johnny Bravo, I think you also didn't watch 2020 live either with that ultimately glorious touch and go match with Selby, what can I say? You miss out on some tremendous drama not watching it live! Do I get anxious watching Ronnie? Very much! Far more than for other players. Never to the point I won't watch though but I admit it does affect my sleep if he is trailing lol.