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Re: 888casino Champion of Champions Final Weekend Discussion

Postby vodkadiet

Andre147 PGC wrote:
vodkadiet wrote:I would never describe O'Sullivan a s a lucky player, but he had enough running this week to last half a season!


rofl <doh>


I reckon you've eating too many hamburgers with British beef in them. <ok>

Re: 888casino Champion of Champions Final Weekend Discussion

Postby Andre147

vodkadiet wrote:
Andre147 PGC wrote:
vodkadiet wrote:I would never describe O'Sullivan a s a lucky player, but he had enough running this week to last half a season!




I reckon you've eating too many hamburgers with British beef in them. <ok>


Somehow you managed to be funny this time Vodka. rofl

Re: 888casino Champion of Champions Final Weekend Discussion

Postby Snooker Overdrive

TheRocket wrote:Yeah, my point is just that for me it's a bigger achievement if someone is winning the UK by playing best of 17 in each round (except the final of course which is best of 19) or best of 11. Maybe I'm too traditional though. I think, a major tournament should have these two sessions in each round.


I agree. The 3 majors were perfect as they were. Shorting the format was never going to improve it. I just have to pray Hearn doesn't try to meddle with the Worlds.

Re: 888casino Champion of Champions Final Weekend Discussion

Postby TheRocket

Snooker Overdrive wrote:Even though the final ended 10-8 which is very close, it felt somehow a bit anti climatic I would say. This match was never going to top the previous 2 Ronnie matches and I think we all expect Ronnie to win one way or another today.

But credits to Ronnie for getting the job done today.


Yes, I agree. IMO btw it would have been nice if Ronnie would have shown a real fist pump today. But he was never in that situation really. The victories over Ding and Robertson were clearly more emotional than today despite the title win.

Re: 888casino Champion of Champions Final Weekend Discussion

Postby Snooker Overdrive

TheRocket wrote:
Snooker Overdrive wrote:Even though the final ended 10-8 which is very close, it felt somehow a bit anti climatic I would say. This match was never going to top the previous 2 Ronnie matches and I think we all expect Ronnie to win one way or another today.

But credits to Ronnie for getting the job done today.


Would have been nice if Ronnie would have shown a real fist pump today. But he was never in that situation really. The victories over Ding and Robertson were clearly more emotional than today despite the title win.


He made one yesterday after walking out of the arena. Ronnie just loves these elite tournaments with big crowds.

Re: 888casino Champion of Champions Final Weekend Discussion

Postby Snooker Overdrive

TheRocket wrote:I hope to see a Robertson like Come on Scream of Ronnie one day but probably won't happen,except after potting the frameball of the World final decider <laugh>


I don't think that will happen :chuckle: He made a fist pump against Williams in the decider of the 2010 Masters semi final but even then he apologized later for having done that.

Re: 888casino Champion of Champions Final Weekend Discussion

Postby Andre147

Snooker Overdrive wrote:
TheRocket wrote:Yeah, my point is just that for me it's a bigger achievement if someone is winning the UK by playing best of 17 in each round (except the final of course which is best of 19) or best of 11. Maybe I'm too traditional though. I think, a major tournament should have these two sessions in each round.


I agree. The 3 majors were perfect as they were. Shorting the format was never going to improve it. I just have to pray Hearn doesn't try to meddle with the Worlds.


Don't think even Barry would make that mistake, think the Masters and the Worlds will stay as they are for a while.

Anyway, like TR said, I've also said pretty much everything I wanted. So happy Ronnie won this title, really had to dig deep at times, particularly against Ding, coming back like he did, and Robbo too.

Today's match at one point I thought it could have slip away, but Ronnie once again just had that little extra gear and I'm glad he won the tile, without having to play his best in the Final.

Looking forward to the UK Champs, should be a great event.

Re: 888casino Champion of Champions Final Weekend Discussion

Postby Andy Spark

Skullman wrote:I think the only way we're going to have multiple sessions is if a new invitional was made which had them. With a flat 128 system there's no way they can fit best of 17 from round one into the calendar.

My view based on what I have observed is that once you go outside of the best players in the world then currently there is still relatively little luck involved in the outcome of a single session match. However, once you get up to the best players in the world then the proportion of pure luck/run of the ball/single shot match turning features/call it what you like, that occurs in a single session match goes up enormously; for me this impinges upon the status of the victory achievement.


Long formats are required in major events NOT to isolate the best group of players but to isolate the VERY BEST player from that group of best players. If there is a shortage in time available in the calendar to give the majors a multi-session format then I suggest taking frames away from the minor events, because you will still tend to get the best group of players coming through even with a best of 5 format.

Re: 888casino Champion of Champions Final Weekend Discussion

Postby Dan-cat

vodkadiet wrote:That woman presenter was pretty good. BBC should snap her up. Clive Everton should be put out to grass,


Clive's got easily another 10 years in the tank -he could be our first octogenarian commentator.

I love the way Alan kept quizzing him and Clive would always would come up with the goods even if occasionally he wasn't exactly accurate the stories were ace! Who was that player who gave away 67 in penalties under the miss rule and then cleared up with a century to win the frame? This stuff is gold dust.

Re: 888casino Champion of Champions Final Weekend Discussion

Postby SnookerFan

Dan-cat wrote:
vodkadiet wrote:That woman presenter was pretty good. BBC should snap her up. Clive Everton should be put out to grass,


Clive's got easily another 10 years in the tank -he could be our first octogenarian commentator.

I love the way Alan kept quizzing him and Clive would always would come up with the goods even if occasionally he wasn't exactly accurate the stories were ace! Who was that player who gave away 67 in penalties under the miss rule and then cleared up with a century to win the frame? This stuff is gold dust.


Can you see John Virgo on Dennis Taylor knowing that off the top of their heads?

Re: 888casino Champion of Champions Final Weekend Discussion

Postby snooker loopy

SnookerFan wrote:
Dan-cat wrote:
vodkadiet wrote:That woman presenter was pretty good. BBC should snap her up. Clive Everton should be put out to grass,


Clive's got easily another 10 years in the tank -he could be our first octogenarian commentator.

I love the way Alan kept quizzing him and Clive would always would come up with the goods even if occasionally he wasn't exactly accurate the stories were ace! Who was that player who gave away 67 in penalties under the miss rule and then cleared up with a century to win the frame? This stuff is gold dust.


Can you see John Virgo on Dennis Taylor knowing that off the top of their heads?


Who was it?

Re: 888casino Champion of Champions Final Weekend Discussion

Postby Andy Spark

SnookerFan wrote:
Dan-cat wrote:
vodkadiet wrote:That woman presenter was pretty good. BBC should snap her up. Clive Everton should be put out to grass,


Clive's got easily another 10 years in the tank -he could be our first octogenarian commentator.

I love the way Alan kept quizzing him and Clive would always would come up with the goods even if occasionally he wasn't exactly accurate the stories were ace! Who was that player who gave away 67 in penalties under the miss rule and then cleared up with a century to win the frame? This stuff is gold dust.


Can you see John Virgo on Dennis Taylor knowing that off the top of their heads?

Absolutely right, these ITV commentators are much better, I get annoyed each time those BBC commentators get their facts wrong.

Re: 888casino Champion of Champions Final Weekend Discussion

Postby vodkadiet

McManus was the best of them, Foulds was okay, but Everton's continual drooling over O'Sullivan became sickly. We get enough of that from John Parrott and Steve Davis!

Terry Griffiths is a class apart.

Re: 888casino Champion of Champions Final Weekend Discussion

Postby SnookerFan

snooker loopy wrote:
SnookerFan wrote:
Dan-cat wrote:
vodkadiet wrote:That woman presenter was pretty good. BBC should snap her up. Clive Everton should be put out to grass,


Clive's got easily another 10 years in the tank -he could be our first octogenarian commentator.

I love the way Alan kept quizzing him and Clive would always would come up with the goods even if occasionally he wasn't exactly accurate the stories were ace! Who was that player who gave away 67 in penalties under the miss rule and then cleared up with a century to win the frame? This stuff is gold dust.


Can you see John Virgo on Dennis Taylor knowing that off the top of their heads?


Who was it?



Point well made.:d

Re: 888casino Champion of Champions Final Weekend Discussion

Postby Roland

Andy Spark wrote:
Skullman wrote:I think the only way we're going to have multiple sessions is if a new invitional was made which had them. With a flat 128 system there's no way they can fit best of 17 from round one into the calendar.

My view based on what I have observed is that once you go outside of the best players in the world then currently there is still relatively little luck involved in the outcome of a single session match. However, once you get up to the best players in the world then the proportion of pure luck/run of the ball/single shot match turning features/call it what you like, that occurs in a single session match goes up enormously; for me this impinges upon the status of the victory achievement.

Long formats are required in major events NOT to isolate the best group of players but to isolate the VERY BEST player from that group of best players. If there is a shortage in time available in the calendar to give the majors a multi-session format then I suggest taking frames away from the minor events, because you will still tend to get the best group of players coming through even with a best of 5 format.


That's actually a reasonable point, when you have top 10 players playing each other they tend to make the most of each chance killing the frame in one visit, whereas lower down the players don't do it as frequently therefore it appears that luck plays more of a part in the outcome because most of the time that piece of luck will cost / win you the frame.

You are right to suggest that longer formats i.e. matches of 2 or more sessions seperates out the ability of players more so the better players tend to come out on top.

However even when top players play each other in a best of 7 and it goes 4-3, nearly always there is a reason for the winner winning and the loser losing and it's rarely down to luck. I think you spend too much time with the nutter who is obsessed with such things. And while you're at it, tell him he's a grade A idiot for obsessing about a player playing on for a few snookers before shaking hands at the end of a match and that it's not bad sportsmanship, it's called the will to win.

Re: 888casino Champion of Champions Final Weekend Discussion

Postby Roland

Haha he's bitten http://rocketronnie.net/viewtopic.php?f ... &start=100

Firstly Davis missed the black to win so that's that one out the window.

Secondly Selby needed 21 points in snookers on the yellow. Theoretically that's 6 but in reality it's more like 4 factoring in free balls, higher valued fouls etc. However unlikely it may be it wasn't impossible, and when you have his shotmaking ability and when you think he won a frame from needing 5 snookers against Hendry at the Crucible then why not play on? He was perfectly within his rights to do so. The Hendry one was last frame of the session, this one was last chance saloon in a match he was about to lose which is when you tend to see players going for that many. Those are the times to play on for that many snookers, not in the middle of a session.

And having met him several times I can tell you he's not a lousy person at all, he's actually a sound bloke.

And yes you are completely obsessed with luck in snooker like no one else I've ever met. You think if a player pots a colour and smashes into the pack and a red goes down it shouldn't be a foul. Well duh. And if a player misses a pot on a 12ft x 6ft table, what are the chances of leaving a makable pot? Not as good as leaving a safe table I can tell you.

By the way I enjoyed Ronnie showing his battling qualities and he deserved to win although Ding missed a trick at 5-3 by not taking pink to middle and holding blue spot, but that's on him for not thinking of it.

Edit- oh right, now I'm being accused of supporting players who break the rules :redneck:

Re: 888casino Champion of Champions Final Weekend Discussion

Postby TheRocket

Sonny, you should just ignore this guy. I've just checked up that forum a little bit and damn, it's disgusting what this guy is writing about some players.

Must be somehow painful for Ronnie to have supporters like that. Like it would be for Hendry if I sight some of his supporters without mentioning names here. However. Ignoring is the best thing I would say.

Re: 888casino Champion of Champions Final Weekend Discussion

Postby Roland

I know mate you're right, there's a bit of history there but it was a long time ago now. Ronnie actually thought about suing for misrepresenting his Rocket Ronnie nickname at one point but obviously had better things to do. After all this guy gives Ronnie supporters a bad name but as this forum demonstrates, most just appreciate good snooker and are respectful of other players, it's just a minority who have genuinely lost the plot.

Re: 888casino Champion of Champions Final Weekend Discussion

Postby snooker loopy

I think the best thing to do would be reform the UK championship to last the same amount of days (13) with 4 sessions a day in the following format. I've tried putting in 13 days, but you'd need 5 sessions on certain days so I've used 14. The broadcasting rights could be split between either BBC and Eurosport or ITV4 and Eurosport so 3/4 matches can be televised each session up until Day 9.

Last 128 Best of 11 (1 session)
Last 64 Bet of 15 (2 sessions, 7, 8)
Last 32 Best of 17 (2 sessions 8, 9)
Last 16 Best of 19 (2 sessions 9, 10)
Quarters Final Best of 21 (2 sessions, 10, 11)
Semi Final Best of 23 (2 sessions, 11, 12)
Final Best of 31 (3 sessions, 10, 10, 11)


Day 1 7am 6 x Last 128 11am 6 x Last 128 3pm 6 x Last 128 7pm 6 x Last 128
Day 2 7am 6 x Last 128 11am 6 x Last 128 3pm 6 x Last 128 7pm 6 x Last 128
Day 3 7am 6 x Last 128 11am 6 x Last 128 3pm 4 x Last 128 7pm 6 x Last 64 S1
Day 4 7am 6 x Last 64 S1 11am 6 x Last 64 S1 3pm 6 x Last 64 S2 7pm 6 x Last 64 S2
Day 6 7am 6 x Last 64 S1 11am 6 x Last 64 S1 3pm 6 x Last 64 S2 7pm 6 x Last 64 S2
Day 7 11am 6 x Last 64 3pm 6 x Last 64 7pm 4 x Last 64
Day 7 7am 4 x Last 32 S1 11am 4 x Last 32 S1 3pm 4 x Last 32 S2 7pm 4 x Last 32 S2
Day 9 7am 4 x Last 32 S1 11am 4 x Last 32 S1 3pm 4 x Last 32 S2 7pm 4 x Last 32 S2
Day 9 7am 2 x Last 16 S1 11am 2 x Last 16 S1 3pm 2 x Last 16 S2 7pm 2 x Last 16 S2
Day 10 7am 2 x Last 16 S1 11am 2 x Last 16 S1 3pm 2 x Last 16 S2 7pm 2 x Last 16 S2
Day 11 7am Quarter Final S1 11am Quarter Final S1 3pm Quarter Final S2 7pm Quarter Final S2
Day 12 7am Quarter Final S1 11am Quarter Final S1 3pm Quarter S2 7pm Quarter Final S2
Day 13 7am Semi-Final S1 11am Semi Final S1 3pm Semi Final S2 7pm Semi Final S2
Day 14 11am Final S1 3pm Final S2 7pm Final S3