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Will Ronnie O’Sullivan win another World Championship?

Yes
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No
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Total votes : 36

Re: Will Ronnie O’Sullivan win another World Championship?

Postby Andre147

Holden Chinaski wrote:I don't think how Ronnie's mind works is comparable to how other players' minds work. Stuff like this or that final got to him is b*llshit to me.

I think he just lacks the mental power to deal with all the hassle that comes with the World Championship. I think winning it in 2012 and then in 2013 after having a year off was such a climax for him, I think he lost the real will to win anymore.

When Judd beat Ronnie at the Masters, some people were saying Ronnie couldn't beat Judd anymore because Judd broke him at The Masters. Then Ronnie beat him at the Tour Championship...

Ronnie needs to take a year off again, come back and win the Worlds, then retire and just play exhibitions. I can see him do that.


Agree with everything, but taking a year off wouldnt work this time. In 2013 he had the surprise factor, no one (apart from you lol) really gave him a realistic chance of winning it. If he done it again players would be prepared, surprise factor lost. Ronnie's the only player who could manage such feat, but this only happens once in a lifetime.

But he needs to get desire and hunger back, let his cue arm go and treat it like any other event. if he can do that, then I could see him winning another. But for me he'll no longer be favourite for it even if he won every tournament in the season.

Re: Will Ronnie O’Sullivan win another World Championship?

Postby Andre147

Iranu wrote:Ronnie will win a 6th world title if Higgins wins a 5th.


Could spur him on but at this moment in time even that I have doubts it would inspire him.

What he needs is someone in his corner just for the Worlds to get his head right, otherwise he'll forever be stuck on 5.

Re: Will Ronnie O’Sullivan win another World Championship?

Postby D4P

Ronnie will almost certainly not win another World Championship. The bottom line is that the negative feelings Ronnie experienced from his loss in 2014 were (much?) larger in magnitude than the positive feelings he experienced from winning the event in other years, so that in his mind, the small probability of winning if he were to commit 100% isn't enough to offset the risk of playing in the event for 17 days but walking away without the trophy...

Re: Will Ronnie O’Sullivan win another World Championship?

Postby TheSaviour

Obviously Ronnie amongs the many others hasn´t been able to deliver because of how well Judd Trump´s been playing. So just a fear-factor and that´s perfectly natural and an okay explanation. The way Judd´s been playing at least the last 5 months, priceless. That decider against Un Nooh was the best frame of a snooker I have ever witnessed, and by a country mile. Un Nooh made a huge favour and an impact the way he started the frame, and personally I see that´s the way the snooker should be played, and that´s I have stated many times absolutely loving to watch Un Nooh playing. But what a response from Judd! Just completely insane double effort, he would has lost the match the way he was forced to leave the cue ball. Judd´s the man, and he will beat Higgins quite easily also.

So now it is Barry Pinches, sorry, David Gilbert vs Higgins and Peter Ebdon, sorry, Gary Wilson vs Judd.

Do it did cost to Robbo of just having a way too optimistic cue ball controls all the way. He just should try to avoid the pack, but instead of just trying to have that split of a life time. It never works like that. And he has some other giving the the hours he has been putting in, thoughtless cue ball controls. It eventually did cost to him, and it cost against the almost flawless Wizard of Wishaw.

So that kind of a Besserwisser is Ronnie O´Sullivan. Neil Robertson is not the only one who has been copying that Besserwisser called Ronnie O´Sullivan Only to find out that it does cost in Sheffield.

And how about Barry Hawkins. Haydong Binches, Kyren Wilson, Mark Williams, Stephen Maguire also NOW..? Mainly obviously just Barry Hawkins :bump1: . How many tournaments there needs to be, how many frames Hawkins needs to be playing until we will be founding that the nice shots from Barry Pinches - videos? At least Stuart Bingham does at times play really high quality - snooker. Obviously was just gutted and not so suprised he couldn´t deliver during the end of that Higgins match. And how about HAYDONG Pinches. Mark Williams ruled himself out before the actual playing even started. Kyren should be otherwise okay / excellent but he has had too many "coaching lessons" from Jimmy White. Those things never too good either.

Hup Hollande. Hup Hup Hup! And why? WEll because they always admit they have no other options than to keep it up even after the heavy losses.

Hup Hup Hup!

So that´s the kind of a BESSERWISSERS are the dutch. And that´s the kind of a BESSERWISSERS are Ronnie O´Sullivan and Judd Trump.... And the only the difference between them just is that Judd´s still there and he´s going to take it also. A quite likely against John Higgins. This time it is David Gilbert against who John is playing but a year from here and it very well could or can be Barry Pinches. I can´t see a difference between David Gilbert and Barry Pinches. Besserwisser has also previously took it, 5 times. But playing finals against Ali Carter or Barry Hawkins, come on.... Well yes, there were player called Stephen Hendry also. But then we should have more discussions going on. An odd footage just isn´t a good enough.

And wasn´t Ken Doherty suppose to be a "master" rofl rofl of those kind of shots to nothings Judd played. Notice the sense of a humour. A shot to nothing, yes sure. Absolutely forced to take on the most ridicilious double effort the professional snooker has ever witnessed, and not so suprisingly Judd got it correct also. Should I list Ken amongs those not so Besserwissers I previously had a go...? Ha haa. Alles gut. Allen´s gut..? rofl rofl rofl

Re: Will Ronnie O’Sullivan win another World Championship?

Postby Iranu

Johnny Bravo wrote:
Iranu wrote:Ronnie will win a 6th world title if Higgins wins a 5th.


No he won't. He'll be forever stuck on 5. He's got the game to win a 6th, but not the right frame of mind.
He needs to bleed for a win, a he doesn't care enough to do it.

By the time Higgins won his 4th in 2011, a lot of people thought Ronnie would be stuck on 3.

Higgins and Ronnie have been spurring each other on for 25 years. I think if there’s one thing that will make Ronnie win a 6th, it’ll be Higgins winning a 5th.

Otherwise I agree Ronnie will be stuck on 5.

Re: Will Ronnie O’Sullivan win another World Championship?

Postby Ronnie79

D4P wrote:Ronnie will almost certainly not win another World Championship. The bottom line is that the negative feelings Ronnie experienced from his loss in 2014 were (much?) larger in magnitude than the positive feelings he experienced from winning the event in other years, so that in his mind, the small probability of winning if he were to commit 100% isn't enough to offset the risk of playing in the event for 17 days but walking away without the trophy...


absolute nonsense losing one final has nothing to do with it. putting too much pressure on himself with all the talk of having to get to 7 titles is his issue.

Re: Will Ronnie O’Sullivan win another World Championship?

Postby Erza Scarlet

TheSaviour wrote:Obviously Ronnie amongs the many others hasn´t been able to deliver because of how well Judd Trump´s been playing.


Judd Trump doesn't have anything to do with Ronnie's losses. It's the Crucible itself.

But due to Higgins reaching the latter stages lately and people talking about how he is a Crucible specialist with his 15th Crucible QF, it made me appreciate Ronnie's Crucible achievements even more given he's actually got a better record than Higgins and I'm not just talking about an extra title, he's got more QFs and SFs.

It's a testament to Ronnie's ability that people think the Crucible isn't for him when he's got such a great record there.

Re: Will Ronnie O’Sullivan win another World Championship?

Postby D4P

Ronnie79 wrote:absolute nonsense losing one final has nothing to do with it. putting too much pressure on himself with all the talk of having to get to 7 titles is his issue.


It isn't "losing one final" per se that is the problem for Ronnie. The problem is that committing to the WSC for 17 days is a massive mental/emotional burden for Ronnie in a way that it isn't for most other players. The cost of that burden can only be offset by actually winning the WSC: anything less than a win isn't enough to make the experience worthwhile for him. Ronnie seems to want to avoid "investing a lot of time/energy/focus/etc. in the WSC only to walk away without the trophy" at all costs, and practically speaking, for Ronnie that has meant that he just loses in the early rounds in order to guarantee that he doesn't lose in the final again.

He only fully learned this about himself when he lost the final in 2014, because he had never lost a final before that. Ever since that loss, he has consistently said something like "It's better to lose in the first round than to lose in the final".

To be clear, he would rather win the WSC than lose, but he would rather lose early than lose late. Going into the event, he would have to have very high confidence in his chances of winning in order to convince his brain that it's worth trying his hardest...

Re: Will Ronnie O’Sullivan win another World Championship?

Postby D4P

Erza Scarlet wrote:It's a testament to Ronnie's ability that people think the Crucible isn't for him when he's got such a great record there.


This is my perspective, too. Rather than criticizing Ronnie for "only" winning 5 WSCs, I think it's remarkable that he won that many, given all of the psychological challenges that he deals with.

Re: Will Ronnie O’Sullivan win another World Championship?

Postby Erza Scarlet

D4P wrote:This is my perspective, too. Rather than criticizing Ronnie for "only" winning 5 WSCs, I think it's remarkable that he won that many, given all of the psychological challenges that he deals with.


Hmm I don't think we're on the same page here. I meant that we tend to underrate Ronnie's record at the Crucible because people think he should've won lots more and I agree, he should've. But someone like Higgins who's got a lesser record at the Crucible is seen as a Crucible specialist, that's what I meant when I said it's a testament to Ronnie's ability that him winning 5 WCs and having better runs can make people think he's not suited for the Crucible.

If anyone else had 5 WCs, no one would be talking about this but since it's Ronnie, it's seen as an underachievement.

Re: Will Ronnie O’Sullivan win another World Championship?

Postby Andre147

D4P wrote:
Ronnie79 wrote:absolute nonsense losing one final has nothing to do with it. putting too much pressure on himself with all the talk of having to get to 7 titles is his issue.


It isn't "losing one final" per se that is the problem for Ronnie. The problem is that committing to the WSC for 17 days is a massive mental/emotional burden for Ronnie in a way that it isn't for most other players. The cost of that burden can only be offset by actually winning the WSC: anything less than a win isn't enough to make the experience worthwhile for him. Ronnie seems to want to avoid "investing a lot of time/energy/focus/etc. in the WSC only to walk away without the trophy" at all costs, and practically speaking, for Ronnie that has meant that he just loses in the early rounds in order to guarantee that he doesn't lose in the final again.

He only fully learned this about himself when he lost the final in 2014, because he had never lost a final before that. Ever since that loss, he has consistently said something like "It's better to lose in the first round than to lose in the final".

To be clear, he would rather win the WSC than lose, but he would rather lose early than lose late. Going into the event, he would have to have very high confidence in his chances of winning in order to convince his brain that it's worth trying his hardest...


:hatoff:

Fully agree mate, he knows how hard it is to win another and maybe he isn't prepared to put all that effort in and maybe end up like Higgins again losing in World Finals...

But this is a risk he needs to take, in the past he also wasnt garanteed he would win, but like you say he had never lost in the Final either.

Is he willing to give it all again and maybe risk losing the Final? He needs to be willing to take it all out otherwise he will always lose early since 2015.

Re: Will Ronnie O’Sullivan win another World Championship?

Postby Johnny Bravo

D4P wrote:
Ronnie79 wrote:absolute nonsense losing one final has nothing to do with it. putting too much pressure on himself with all the talk of having to get to 7 titles is his issue.


It isn't "losing one final" per se that is the problem for Ronnie. The problem is that committing to the WSC for 17 days is a massive mental/emotional burden for Ronnie in a way that it isn't for most other players. The cost of that burden can only be offset by actually winning the WSC: anything less than a win isn't enough to make the experience worthwhile for him. Ronnie seems to want to avoid "investing a lot of time/energy/focus/etc. in the WSC only to walk away without the trophy" at all costs, and practically speaking, for Ronnie that has meant that he just loses in the early rounds in order to guarantee that he doesn't lose in the final again.

He only fully learned this about himself when he lost the final in 2014, because he had never lost a final before that. Ever since that loss, he has consistently said something like "It's better to lose in the first round than to lose in the final".

To be clear, he would rather win the WSC than lose, but he would rather lose early than lose late. Going into the event, he would have to have very high confidence in his chances of winning in order to convince his brain that it's worth trying his hardest...


One of the best posts I've read on this forum and it sums it up perfectly. :hatoff:

Re: Will Ronnie O’Sullivan win another World Championship?

Postby mick745

Yes great post. I honestly think the 2014 final defeat shook him, especially after holding a big lead. Like all great sportspeople winning is winning and second is nowhere. He hadnt thought it possible that he could get all the way to the final and then end up with nothing until that moment. He now knows that should have been WC no 6. No 7 and 8 may have followed that but now we'll never know.

Re: Will Ronnie O’Sullivan win another World Championship?

Postby vodkadiet1

mick745 wrote:Yes great post. I honestly think the 2014 final defeat shook him, especially after holding a big lead. Like all great sportspeople winning is winning and second is nowhere. He hadnt thought it possible that he could get all the way to the final and then end up with nothing until that moment. He now knows that should have been WC no 6. No 7 and 8 may have followed that but now we'll never know.



This was absolutely the defining moment. If he had dealt with this better he probably won have won at least one more World title by now and maybe even have equalled Hendry's seven. He will never be the greatest player ever because his attitude let him down. Being the greatest isn't just about talent.

Re: Will Ronnie O’Sullivan win another World Championship?

Postby D4P

Realistically, the best thing Ronnie could do to maximize his chances of winning another WC would probably be to take the entire season off leading up to the event. That way he would be fresh and excited to be playing and he would also be very motivated to win, since he wouldn't have had any previous victories in the season to make him feel like he had already achieved enough that season...

Re: Will Ronnie O’Sullivan win another World Championship?

Postby Jmoita

The issue here is very simple: O'Sullivan is thinking in the 7th title since like 2009. He was sucessfull until Selby defeat him in 2014. But that is nothing, one final lost in 6 is peanuts... The problem is time. Not in the way that he's getting old (I believe he can get more 10 years at the top) but the time it takes from one WC to another...
Working one whole year to achieve a goal in 17 days, and then another year to another 17 days is f*cked up.

Until 2 years ago, he still had other objectives, that kind of concealed this problem.. but now is plain obvious.. one can not get a title while acumullating 350 days of pressure before play for it...

The solution? Taking year off worked before, but in this age is kind of hard I think.. and psycological matters don't get solved that easily... Maybe a very good shrink plus playing only on triple crown events could do the trick...

In conclusion, I don't know if he will do it, but I believe I still have a little chance.

Re: Will Ronnie O’Sullivan win another World Championship?

Postby Andre147

TheRocket wrote:https://twitter.com/Eurosport_UK/status/1125364398292447234

Twitter Q & A with ROS on Eurosport. Looks like he doesnt believe he can win another World title.


And that's that I'm afraid. The man himself doesn't believe it, and he comes with that mentality here.

Re: Will Ronnie O’Sullivan win another World Championship?

Postby Cloud Strife

Andre147 wrote:
TheRocket wrote:https://twitter.com/Eurosport_UK/status/1125364398292447234

Twitter Q & A with ROS on Eurosport. Looks like he doesnt believe he can win another World title.


And that's that I'm afraid. The man himself doesn't believe it, and he comes with that mentality here.


I'm sure he believes he can win it, he just can't be fussed to put in the effort required.